Depression and Mass Murder: What Can We Do?
April 26, 2007
I must admit to a certain fascination with Seung Cho. I know it’s not entirely useful to be an armchair forensic psychologist. I should be using this space to agitate for a return to the days of mental hospitals and involuntary commitments, as I did earlier this week. I would probably be making more of a contribution to the well-being of the world if I did that.
That said, I do spend a lot of time thinking about this guy. I think part of it is because I understand him. I’ve dealt with depression and suicidal rage before. I’ve experienced what it feels like to be profoundly alienated, on the outside looking in on all the shiny, happy people having fun.
One of the most destructive features of depression is the stubbornness it gives you. There are days when you know you should get out of bed, but you stubbornly refuse to obey the better angels of your nature. You know that it’s probably a good idea to go outside and run around. You know that the endorphins will make you feel better. You know that picking up the phone when a friend calls is the healthiest thing to do. But depression gives you immense strength to resist the kindness of the world and focus instead on its injustices. It gives you immense strength to do the unhealthiest thing possible.
This feature seems to be a unique asset if your goal is to kill a whole lot of people. As Newsweek’s Mary Carmichael writes:
Once a person has decided to commit mass murder, he’s extremely unlikely to admit to being depressed or to seek psychological help, and he may also cut off many relationships with friends who might encourage him to do so. In other words, the people who need counseling the most are those who will try hardest to avoid it.
As it turns out, there was a time when Seung Cho responded to the efforts of his classmates to include him:
At Virginia Tech, some of his classmates tried to include him. His suitemates took him to a frat party, and he indulged in drinking games, downing vodka and Kool-Aid and playing beer pong. He was adept, if a bit joyless, at lobbing Ping-Pong balls into cups of beer. “Down to the last shot, he made it, without any expression in his face,” one of his suitemates, Andy Koch, tells NEWSWEEK.
But depression has a funny way of pushing those memories from your mind. It’s so easy to focus only on the times when you have been scorned, rather than on the times when people reached out. It’s so easy to remain joyless even when those in your life want you to share in their joy. And when you’re trying to craft your self-narrative, to explain how you became the joyless human being you are. It’s very easy to remember only the sad, joyless times.
Sometimes that joylessness becomes so intense that the mind tries to make sense of the experience. Unconsciously, it can be easy to assume that there has to be a specific reason why everything feels so much harder for you than it does for everyone else. It’s possible that Seung Cho truly was sexually abused as a child, as so many have come to believe due to the nature of his written work. But it’s equally likely that those themes of incest and abuse in his writing were generated by his mind’s attempt to make sense of its own pain. Sometimes it’s not enough to just be desperately sad and lonely. You need a reason.
Depression doesn’t turn everyone who suffers from it into a mass murderer. But all of the mass murderers studied by forensic psychologists were reacting to some kind of perceived injustice. Depression is extremely efficient at generating that perception. It’s also great at reinforcing it by encouraging those who struggle with it to shut out the world. And while mass murderers may not fit a specific profile, almost all of them have some common threads that relate back to depression.
According to Newsweek:
They are not, on the whole, psychopaths, although they are often identified in the media as such. “A psychopath is someone with little conscience, little interpersonal bonding, someone who’s smooth and manipulative,” says Schlesinger. “That personality has nothing, zero, to do with mass murder.”
Indeed, the personality type most often associated with mass murder is in some ways the opposite of a psychopath. He is far from cool-headed; instead, he is aggrieved, hurt, and above all paranoid. Some mass murderers may be trying to exercise power over a world that they feel has left them powerless. “These people often feel some great injustice has been done to them. They’re angry and they want to take it out on the world,” says Schlesinger. “Then they develop the idea that committing murder will be the solution to whatever their problem is, and they fixate on it. Eventually they come to feel that there’s no other solution.”
The problems that the murderers, however horribly, are trying to “solve” can be almost anything—the loss of a job, a financial setback, or a bad breakup (several of Cho’s classmates have told reporters that he was looking for his girlfriend). But these relatively minor setbacks are merely the events that push the killers over the edge; they don’t put them near the edge in the first place. They are usually the last in a long string of perceived insults and hardships. “You don’t just get a D on your report card and then open fire on 30 people,” says Levin. “It takes a prolonged series of frustrations. These people are chronically depressed and miserable.”
So it would seem that if we want to stop to stomp out this “depressingly American” trend of gun-fueled mass murder, we need to get much, much better at recognizing and treating depression. Unfortunately, government can’t be relied upon to do this in any kind of reliable way. Other than reversing course on community mental health, there’s very little that can be done in the political sphere.
What do you guys think? What more can we do?





“And when you’re trying to craft your self-narrative, to explain how you became the joyless human being you are. It’s very easy to remember only the sad, joyless times.
Sometimes that joylessness becomes so intense that the mind tries to make sense of the experience. Unconsciously, it can be easy to assume that there has to be a specific reason why everything feels so much harder for you than it does for everyone else.”
This, Teresa, is how I know you’ve experienced real depression. Those who just have ‘blue days’ or go through ‘phases’ can’t comprehend what real depression is like.. to look out at the world and see only the dark that surrounds you. It can be… overwhelming.
There is a part of me that deeply comprehends what Seung Cho did, understands it. It’s never an approach I would choose, but I understand what it feels like, and that I even understand somewhat scares me, to know those emotions.
But it’s because of that understanding that I won’t just call him an “insane killer” like everyone else does. Refusal to understand doesn’t make you righteous.
The quote which Patrick used to explain how he knew that Teresa has experienced depression, is also how I knew she had experienced it. I feel a strong resonance with what both Teresa and Patrick have said. I too understand what Cho did. It is especially during times when people have humiliated me, or added insults to my injuries, that I have considered showing no mercy to those around me, who themselves seem to lack mercy. There, but for the grace of God go I, Cho. I try to remember, that punishments must always be proportionate to crimes. I have hopes for the future. I am working towards them. Though I lack faith, yet can I pray that I will reach my goals, or that failing to reach them, I will not express my anger, frustration, and despair by killing relatively innocent people. I know, that Teresa would probably have me committed to a mental hospital if she could. However, it is very likely that I will live out my life in a very uneventful fashion, and the idea that I should be commited, seems to me a great injustice.
Achilleus30: Just remember, when you are feeling low, that the only constant in the universe is change. Everyone goes through hi’s and low’s. The low’s are a lot lower on some people, but the highs will come.
I think it’s really sad that Cho committed his act at the end of his senior year. Clearly, college was not a positive environment for him, but he was about to enter a very new environment, which may have worked better for him. While college is revered as “the best years of your life”, it is also largely structured the same for everyone, whereas, in the real world, you can create an environment that suits you. It’s possible, by the time he was in his 30’s, Cho could have created an environment for himself in which he felt at home.
I wouldn’t characterize this as an American phenomenon. More that of the Prussian Factory schools that are increasingly being adopted world wide. Kids in Japan and Korea are facing pressures in school that have them committing suicide in huge numbers. Some factors present in those cultures may have been limiting the mass murder/suicide, but these sorts of things act like social epidemics- the more they are seen, the more likely to be copied, as some sort of ’social acceptance’ gives them legitimacy.
I just wanted to point something out, I don’t think a lot of people are aware of this:
Cho Seung Hui was an autistic since birth, he had Asperger’s syndrome. That is why he had no expression most of the time, such poor language and social skills.
Does that pretty much say it all? I have also read that Asperger’s sufferers can have a pretty high rate of suicide and depression.
Jasmine: Where did you hear about this? I must admit that I’m skeptical.
I’m pretty sure Cho was never official diagnosed as having Autism or Asperger’s, although he definitely showed some characteristics.
Hi. What concerns me about this most recent cas of mass murder at NIU is that the gunman didn’t know any of the students or the TA in that auditorium. He had, according to reports, taught in that auditorium when he attended NIU. He was a sociology major and these were geology/oceanography students taking intro courses. Where is the perception of injustice coming from? What is it about making others suffer for no reason in these kind of cases. The Columbine killers knew the people they were shooting and even targeted some. But VT and NIU are very different? And then why suicide? Why not stay alive to bring these perceived injustices to light? Or are these students merely stand-ins for others?