Clinton Crushes Obama In West Virginia
May 13, 2008
Not that it matters, as Obama now has an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates and leads super delegates. His lead at last count was ten super delegates, and he is expecting to clinch the nomination based on the 2,025 delegate number used all year next Tuesday.
Of course, Hillary is still running her scorched earth campaign, the result of which is that over half of both Obama and Clinton supporters in West Virginia said they will not vote for the other Democrat in the general election.
And of course, there is still the issue of what do with Michigan and Florida, which the rules committee of the DNC will be meeting to discuss on May 31st. If Clinton bows out gracefully on May 20th after Obama hits 2,025, this will not be an issue. If she pushes for the seating of MI and FL with the belief that they can somehow deliver her the nomination, then the Democratic Party may have some serious problems.
Everyone recites “do the math”
Well, if anyone actually did the math, we would know that it
doesn’t add up…..
The winner should be the one with “more” votes. Genius don’t you think?
I thought Al Gore’s nomination was stolen and if Clinton win’s the popular Vote
and Obama ends up the nominee than…Well….You know….”Not change”
but, politics like usual. I’m voting for the either on…but if it’s this situation, I guess I’ll bite my tongue.
Additionally, the percent vote and percent delegate does not add up.
Popular Vote Delegate Difference
Obama 49.3 52.3 +3
Clinton 47.2 47.4 +0.4
If you count FL and Mi, than there’s even more of a discrepancy.
The fact is that everyone recites “do the math”, well if theres a discrepacneey in the math, than it shouldn’t count and stop say it,it bugs me so much……
Popular vote should be the only measure….
Majority rule: the doctrine that the numerical majority of an organized group can make decisions binding on the whole group
Or
Representative democracy
Djura,
The Democratic Party has used an elected delegate system for selecting the nominee for 30 years. Clinton knew that going in. She campaigned in the very presidential election that established those rules.
Do you know why the Democratic Party doesn’t use popular vote as a measure of who wins the primaries?
Have you ever seen a single popular vote count include the nearly 1 million votes cast in caucuses? How would you count them? The popular vote is flawed metric.
It’s also not the one the Democratic Party has used for 30 years to determine who got “more” votes. And both Clinton and Obama knew that going in. You can’t agree to the rules and then claim they’re unfair when they mean you lose.
I see you’re not a student of electoral politics. Ok, here’s a very simple lesson.
The elected delegates are not apportioned according to the statewide raw popular vote. They are apportioned according to district-level returns. That is, in each electoral district (which are established by the state legislatures), the popular vote percentages dictate how many delegates each candidate gets in that district. Each district is allocated a number of delegates according to its population size (it can be more complex than this, but let’s keep it simple).
Consequently, the popular vote percentages and the delegate percentages won’t match. They should be close, and they are, but they won’t match.
There’s no discrepancy in the math. In fact, the math is very simple. Obama has more delegates. That’s all that matters.
You’re free to argue over how those delegates were apportioned, but you won’t get very far. Both Clinton and Obama agreed to the rules long before they started campaigning.
The United States is a Republic that establishes majority rule and explicitly protects minority rights. You figure it out.